GlocalNet

Connecting for Glocal Transformation

Stop “Tinkerin” With the Church!

Everyone seems to think if we just get the right model, the right 5-step system and process, we’ll change the church and it will change its community and the world. Don’t believe it. History has never borne that. History is filled with stories of churches that God moved on, There was a “process” of how it worked for them, but when exported it lost its power. The aspiration becomes how close can we get to being just like this other group, model, or expression that is considered edgy. I fear we’re stuck in “model” mania, even though most claim theirs isn’t a model! How can we tell?

When the majority of our discussion and focus is how, where, when we gather, and what we do when we gather, we’re talking model. Be it sandals and candles or organs and Lexus.

When the majority of our budgets and staff and gatherings go towards only corporate expressions of worship, we’re talking model. Be it a 10,000-seat auditorium or Starbucks-type storefront.

When our moods, joy, pride, significance is tied more to how many showed up or how weird the ones were who showed up, we’re talking model!

Your church is only as good as your disciples--not your preacher! If you want to tinker with something, tinker with the disciple. How do we create a culture of the kingdom so people will engage it in a daily manner? What is a disciple? How do we move from information transfer to behavioral transformation--what we call T-Life at NorthWood? Tinker with the society if you want to tinker with something. How do we connect disciples and society? I’m obsessed with the Kingdom of God, the transformation that it brings. I believe this is what it takes to see the fulfillment of the Great Commission. We’ve thought it was the sinners’ prayer. It’s much more than that.  It must be a transformed life that transforms others and communities.

Gene Getz taught me that old principle years ago--form follows function. Man, has the Western church forgotten that--both new and old. Form is the church. Function is the disciple. We think function follows form--we’re wrong.

You’ll read about this in my new book, The Multiplying Church, that’s coming out next February, but I’m convinced, based on history, our experience, and the church globally that I love so much, we should focus more on the disciple and the society instead of the preacher and the church. I deal with that in Glocalization in domains, etc. The job of the preacher is to make sure disciples are being made and when that happens, you get the church. We start with the wrong things.

With all this “missional” talk, one thing I know for sure is if a church is missional it’s because of the disciples in it, and not merely a few mission projects that it does--be it home, inner-city, or half-way around the world.

Comments

  • zach harrod says:
    Aug 30, 2007 at 12:43 PM
    AMEN! This can't be more true. I've grown tired in the past years of form after form or 5 step process after 5 step process in the past years since I've been involved in ministry. What is even more disgusting then all of this is when people live and die on these systems. Where I live in work, Prague, Czech Republic, it seems that some of the national leaders will just grab a hold of the latest 5-step system or etc. and then they wonder why it doesn't work. It seems as if God uses something once in a certain place that we, as humans, look for the easy way out and turn it into a prescriptive deal. When I see this in Czech I am appalled. I hear things like, "What Prague needs in a mega-church." Mega-church? Prague needs Christ followers that are loving God and their neighbor and not living in their bublicious world! Thanks for the post!
  • Bob Roberts says:
    Aug 30, 2007 at 06:31 PM
    Zach we have a dozen or so exchange students who come live at our church every year - most are from Hanoi, Vietnam - Sunday I met one from Prague!!!!
  • byron says:
    Aug 31, 2007 at 05:28 AM
    Amen!!!!!! It is truly a Master Plan of the church as Jesus taught. Pouring His life into the twelve and seeing them turn the world upside down. Lessons learned from the past that stuck. Thanks Bob!

    peace, byron
  • A power trifecta of amazing posts! « Live. Work. Play. says:
    Aug 31, 2007 at 07:38 AM
    [...] Next, my favorite glocal trekker Bob Roberts (blogging at glocal.net) tells us once again that it ain’t about the “style” of how we do church. It absolutely comes down to disciples. Form follows function. He writes, “Your church is only as good as your disciples—not your preacher! If you want to tinker with something, tinker with the disciple. How do we create a culture of the kingdom so people will engage it in a daily manner?” Awesome stuff, Bob! [...]-----
  • Bob Roberts Jr. says:
    Sep 1, 2007 at 04:22 AM
    Byron and Jonathan - i miss you guys - Zach - it just gets old after a while!
  • Jeff Fields says:
    Sep 5, 2007 at 12:34 PM
    Another post that speaks directly to my heart! God bless you and the way God is speaking to and through you! I agree that if we truly focus on making disciples and pouring our own lives (Jesus Christ) into them, the world will be transformed. One thing that God has taught me, the hard way I might add, is that there is absolutely no 'model' or 'structure' that is 'one size fits all'. Churches are like snowflakes, no two are exactly the same, therefore the form must be different, even if slightly. But, like you said, the function is the same and has been since the 1st Century. Jesus simply reproduced Himself in the disciples and they "turned the world upside down". The problem is that most leaders today measure success by the numbers as opposed to using the numbers as 1 of the indicators. Successful discipleship is measured by heart transformation, which of course is more difficult to measure. Let's tinker with building disciples and the church will grow!
  • James Gunnison says:
    Sep 22, 2007 at 02:24 PM
    Bob,

    I was in India earlier this year. I was teaching about 25 tribal house church leaders on discipleship and church planting. It came time for me to start teaching on church planting. I opened my mouth and what had been prepared did not come out. Instead, I said something like this;


    "Jesus never told us to plant churches. Paul never told us to plant churches. The mission is to make disciples. We see this with Jesus. We see this with Paul. When we make disciples, churches happen. It is a natural thing. Disciples will naturally want to fellowship and pray and worship in community, so churches will happen. Make disciples and teach them to do the same. Do this, and you will plant more churches than you can imagine."

    I then went on to discuss the disciple making process, from a 2 Timothy 2:2 point of view.

    Anyway, just reading through your blog and saw this post and thought you would enjoy this little vignette.

    Until ALL Have Heard,

    JG

Leave a Reply

Name:

Email:

Location:

URL:

Remember my personal information

Notify me of follow-up comments?

Please enter the word you see in the image below:


Blog Categories

Search Glocalnet

Support

Partners

Northwood Church gohub Vision 360

Glocalnet Books