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Observations and Questions to Pastor Ha and Pastor Lee

After I spoke yesterday I spent the majority of the day with Daniel Lee of Global Harvest Mission Church.  It was a great day of seeing a traditional Korean villiage.  We talked a lot while we walked.  I so desperately want to learn from these guys.  Both Daniel and Pastor Ha started their churches to reach the world.  Daniel has 300 full-time missionaries pastor Ha has 1,000.  They didn’t start with the typical American mega-church church story for starting their church.  They both believe this has uniquely positioned them.  One has around 25,000 in attendance and the other has over 50,000.  They are humble unassuming men.  They are very smart.  They are prayerful.  They started small and didn’t anticipate they would be among the top 5 largest churches in Korea let alone the top 10 to 20 in the world.

I asked Daniel what he attributed his growth to.  He said, preaching, cell groups, and an educational process that grew people.  Obviously, I asked what about prayer, that’s what I hear about Korean churches?  His response was, prayer is not unique about us - all Korean churches pray!  That’s just being a Korean church.  So yes, we pray, but not unique to us.  What an answer. 

I asked Daniel about all their missions and church planting.  “That doesn’t make us grow - it’s just what we do.” So what they value the most - spreading God’s name - isn’t what grows their church.  It’s how they disciple and train people to engage the world. 

These churches see the church from so many angles - how do we reach the lost, build community, disciple, grow the church, and engage the world.  These men have inspired me the past few days.  I simply don’t feel worthy to be here speaking they are so far ahead of us.  Why in God’s name they want to hear from us - I’ll never understand.  These men are the real hero’s of the modern church.

Comments

  • Randy Ehle says:
    Apr 18, 2008 at 10:13 AM
    Why does it sound so surprising to us that a church focused on discipleship, evangelism - the kingdom of God - would grow? Why do we in America focus so much attention on growing - how to grow, what stimuli will enhance growth, what programs will draw people in - when the answer seems to be simply living transformed lives? The other night I was talking with some guys in our home community about prayer and why we don't pray or trust God. The answer seemed quite simple: we don't need to. At least, we don't think we do! Between our economic prosperity (even our poverty level is higher than most of the Majority World's per-capita income), credit cards, and relative security, we just don't think we need God for much more than a parking place for our Hummers. And yes, this is a personal confession.

    I've been thinking much about transformation lately, and how it is largely accomplished in the wilderness. I've been wondering how my non-stop, high-speed life in the city limits or slows the transforming work God wants to do in me. I'm not a patient man...I want to be transformed, but I want it NOW and I'd prefer it to be painless. But that's the thing about transformation: it is neither fast nor painless, and it involves putting my own needs and desires aside and climbing up on the altar as a living sacrifice. Father, in this slow process, keep me focused on you; help me to see you more clearly and know you more deeply than I do today.
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  • Joseph Choi says:
    Apr 19, 2008 at 04:25 AM
    http://www.cgntv.net/cgn_player/player.htm?pid=2051&bit=medium&vno=18

    Thank you for preaching in Korea !
  • Carol says:
    Apr 19, 2008 at 08:18 AM
    Thanks for sharing as you journey Bob. You help us all.

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