Evangelical American Pastors - Meet Evangelical Palestinian Pastors!
Yes, they really exist! I wanted to post a picture, but didn’t want to make their life anymore difficult than it is, already. They love God, they are evangelical, they were born in different parts of Israel and the West Bank, their families have been there for centuries and millenias and they are the most effective representation and the best hope of Jesus Christ in that part of the world today. My meetings with them were beyond incredible. They have suffered rejection, abandonment, and isolation for one simple reason--they were born Palestinians. One leading evangelical who met with them a couple of years back was happy they were Christians but at the conclusion of the meeting told them they needed to move to Jordan or somewhere else. How absurd and utterly ignorant of the Great Commission and God’s call for all peoples.
One of the pastors told me, “We are the only nationality in the history of Christianity where other Christians have told us we should leave and are the obstacle to the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Instead, they would rather work with non-believers who have rejected Christ who are not involved in the Great Commission instead of working with us.”
There are some Muslims that have made life difficult for them and there are some Israeli’s that have made life difficult for them. But, the greatest rejection, and most painful of all, has been that of their Christian brothers from the church in the West. It’s not just rejection though, it’s oblivion. Most, in the West, do not realize that there is a growing and emerging church in the West Bank, despite all the thousands of Palestinian Christians that have come West. There are about 3,000 Christians that live in Gaza. Many of them could leave and live here, but they feel called to stay to be witnesses to Christ. Their life is very difficult, but if they leave who will share the light and love of Jesus? I met 8 pastors in Bethlehem. I was impressed with every single one of them. They are educated, effective, and passionate. They are closer to the culture than anyone else. Does Jesus love Palestinians and Jews? Does He want there to be a light and witness whether men accept Him or reject Him? Were there conditions to who could fulfill the Great Commission or was it really the call of all believers?
In Nazareth, I visited with one Palestinian Christian leader who feels God has called the Palestinian Christians to fulfill the Great Commission in the whole of the Middle-East. He told me, who is better situated, connected, and able to speak the Good News of Christ than they are. He’s not just mouthing. He has actions to back up his talk--and more to come. Wouldn’t it be just like God to use the “least” of the Palestinian Christians to bring peace to the Holy Land with the Messianic Jews!!!!!!!! WOW, these are all the sons of Abraham! Wouldn’t it be just like Jesus to heal a rift and use the least likely to see the transformation of a nation and part of the world?
These are courageous men of vision who are giving their entire lives that make all our little “missional” discussions look little and goofy. One of the most exciting things of all I saw was a Palestinian pastor speaking at a Messianic congregation. The two pastors embraced and have become very close friends. They don’t agree on everything--BUT, they do agree that they are brothers in Christ and must respect each other--enough that they share pulpits and work together. I’m convinced the greatest hope for Peace in Jerusalem and Israel and the West Bank is going to come from Christians who live there, who are reconciled to each other and are providing an example and model of how they live together. If Christian brothers from both sides are willing to work together there why shouldn’t we?
Bethlehem Bible College also blew me away. I saw the future church of the Holy Land and the Middle East and was excited. These young men and women love God, are filled with passion, and are smart and gifted. Of all the church planters and young leaders I know in the US, they stand head-to-head and shoulder-to-shoulder to the very best here in the West--if not even taller! The reason is, not only are they smart and gifted, but they choose to stay and live in difficult circumstances which has a massive impact on character and maturity. This is why Jesus says the first will be last and the last first. Their names will not be as well known as some here in the West, but the sacrifice and effectiveness goes beyond anything we know here. You can legally start churches in the Palestinian territories, which has been done, and many of these are being trained to do just that. They also get engagement, whether it’s reconciliation exercises they are involved in, or serving the poor--you name it. Here in the US, I’m always told, “when our church gets bigger and we have more money then we’ll start churches and start engaging.” I’m glad they don’t talk that way or believe that--they wouldn’t be doing all the things they’re doing now. BTW one of the churches has sent a “missionary” to America!!!!!! He happened to be “home” the Sunday I spoke at one of the churches and he was there.
I always talk about lessons from the church in the East--this is where we, in the West, have it really wrong--our failure to recognize and connect deeply with believers in the West Bank. We’re still trying to drive foreign policy through speculative theology. I don’t know how Jesus will return; I do know He’s called all of us to share the good news of who He is and to serve others. I don’t know when He will return; I do know what He’s called all of us to do until He comes. We have traded the Great Commission for the sake of an eschatological foreign policy. Jesus told Peter to put down his sword--He put the ear back on the soldier. He is about an eternal kingdom. He will come at the behest of the father, not the contrivings of religious power brokers trying to play global politics.
We must support Israel. They are a nation of people that will be represented in eternity for whom Christ died. But we must also support the Palestinians, a nation of people that will be represented in eternity for whom Christ died. Anything less is a rejection of what God has called all believers to do. They want reconciliation--shouldn’t we? Does the Kingdom of God flourish and transform the world by love and reconciliation, or by hatred and power politics? Easy answer--look at the cross . . .


Comments
Jan 10, 2008 at 05:50 AM
Bold Statements Bob.
I really like this statement:
I always talk about lessons from the church in the East - this is where we in the West have it really wrong - our failure to recognize and connect deeply with believers in the West Bank. We’re still trying to drive foreign policy through speculative theology. I don’t know how Jesus will return, I do know he’s called all of us to share the good news of who he is and to serve others. I don’t know when he will return, I do know what he’s called all of us to do until he comes. We have traded the Great Commission for the sake of an eschatological foreign policy - Jesus told Peter to put down his sword - he put the ear back on the soldier - he is about an eternal kingdom. He will come at the behest of the father, not the contrivings of religious power brokers trying to play global politics.
For some reason, whether political or otherwise, we have neglected to discuss the impact of Palestinian Christians. We almost feel that is an oxymoron. Why? Is it because they live and descend from those trying to destroy Israel? Is it because we lump them into adherents of Islam? I have never really considered these issues.
What I do know is that if someone is sharing the pure message of the Gospel, even for their own gain (see Philippians), I should rejoice that the message is going out. Whether the messenger is my enemy or friend politically, or in any other way.
Thanks for reminding us that this is going on.
Blessings!
Jan 10, 2008 at 06:03 AM
Bob,
Thanks for posting this. The Palestinian church has truly been forgotten, and this is so sad. My prayer is that we, here in the US, will open our eyes to our sin of favoritism before it is too late!
By the way, did you meet my friend Sarah P. at Bethlehem Bible College? She and her husband Jason are with our organization and are working alongside many of the folks you mentioned and met...
Until ALL Have Heard...
Jan 10, 2008 at 06:07 AM
[...] Yes, despite what some would make you believe, they do exist. Read this interesting article from Bob who just returned from meeting with people there. [...]----- [...] Yes, despite what some would make you believe, they do exist. Read this interesting article from our lead pastor who just returned from key meetings there. [...]----- [...] Anyhow you can get a great glimpse of what he is doing if you read this post. [...]----- [...] Anyone who has read this blog over the past year knows I have a great deal of respect and admiration for Bob Roberts. His book, Glocalization, blew my paradigm. Bob has just gotten back from Israel on vacation. While there, he was able to meet with Palestinian pastors. Yes, they do exist! [...]-----
Jan 10, 2008 at 06:40 AM
"Easy - look at the cross" I wonder why that's not easy for us? Somehow our own prejudice consumes our walk. I cannot thank you enough for sharing with us last night. I know we heard a very concise version of the trip. I'm looking forward to hearing the extended version some day soon. It is amazing how God is using you right now Bob. I think He is using you to not only bring hope and reconciliation to forgotten parts of the body of Christ like the Palestinian Church, but to also enlighten us here to the global big "C" Church. I would have never known many of these things if you had not gone and had not shared. The only other thing I wondered was how excited your wife was about you taking 30 minute jogs in the Middle East. I have a feeling you'd run a marathon down Gaza just because you could. Tons of love and thanks Bob. You challenge us! Tim
Jan 10, 2008 at 07:01 AM
Eric, I'm not sure if I met Sara or not - I met a lot of people - glad you're there - call me and fill me in what you're doing - bob
Jan 10, 2008 at 08:43 AM
As I read this blog I was reminded of two other Christians who had disagreements and yet were able to embrace one another, respect another, and serve side by side the same Lord - Peter and Paul. How difficult it must have been for these two men to come together at first, what with Peter's impetuous tendencies and with Paul's background and reputation preceeding him to Jerusalem, where it took Barnabas standing up for him in order for Paul to be accepted. And even though there were disagreements, each man knew that they were serving the same Lord. Paul would remind the church of the importance of unity in body when he wrote to the church at Ephesus: "...walk worthy of the calling with which you were called,...endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (Ephesians 4:1,3-6)
We, as believers, need to move beyond spiritual bigotries and, by working together, realize that our mission and calling is to be unified in the Lord, as a testimony of God's Love for mankind, and to present His message of hope and love to those who are perishing. Too many churches, instead of engaging community as a means to kingdom development, are living a ministry imagined - imagining an incredible working of God in their minds, but in reality handcuffed by fear to take the risks to move forward. I have known those who are dreamers and those who are visionaries. It is time to choose to be a part of those who are of the latter mindset and willing to move when the Spirit prompts, accept one another in brotherly love, and take risks rather than sitting around waiting, all the while clothing hatred, inactivity and fears in religious busyness.
Jan 10, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Palestinian Christians are doing some remarkable work in their communities - particularly in Gaza, where the world seems to have decided to lock the door and throw away the key.
Jan 10, 2008 at 02:59 PM
Bob,
We are thrilled you are still taking the Word to ALL nations. WE miss Northwood, but are still praying for you and all the pastors.
Blessings!
Phil
Jan 10, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Way to go Bob!!!
Thanks for sharing.
Jan 10, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Bob,
Thanx for the great post!
This land at the intersection of the nations is critically important to the future. All the people living there are strategic. The Jews, the Palestinians and all the other Islamic peoples living there are important to God and deserve our prayers and attention. Thank you for raising your voice to speak up!
Jan 10, 2008 at 06:10 PM
AMEN!!
I'm so glad that God is beginning to awaken great leaders of the Church in America to situations like these - because God absolutely has something to say to them! He woke me up to the palestinian side of things about a year ago and what I would give to be able to help further the cause of the kingdom in a place like that. We have so much to learn from them in the west.
I'm so excited to hear more about the great work you're getting the privilege of doing. I know you mentioned in your last blog that its impossible to take all the vacation your church gives you...hear this, THANK YOU for caring enough about the global cause of Christ and realizing that he is using you to awaken so many of our souls to his will that you are willing to give up personal vacation time!! God's absolute blessings on you, your family, and your church!
Jan 11, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Bob:
Thank you Bob very much. As a Palestinian Pastor, your sincere and godly response encouraged me to celebrate the goodness of God. For many hears, I have met with many North American brothers and sisters in Christ. They heard our stories, saw our hunger, imprisonment, and thirst. Then most of them went away forgetting us just like Joseph was forgotten in prison. I see a different response in you. It is an answer to prayer and I am excited to see that. Let us keep our eyes on Jesus Christ and advocate His Kingdom. If we do that then we cannot but be together for after all we are one body in Christ.
Rev. Yohanna Katanacho, PhD
Jan 11, 2008 at 02:43 AM
Yohanna, I believe in you - I regret that for so we have been so silent - forgive us. Bob
Jan 11, 2008 at 06:26 AM
Thank you, Bob! My wife and I lived in the Middle East for years and heard this refrain constantly..."Please tell our brothers and sisters in America that we exist." We know many faithful believers who left the homes their families had lived in for centuries. They left with only the clothes they were wearing, and were never allowed to return. Others who remained expressed hurt that tour buses full of American Bible believers totally missed the fact that they were there, living in some of the most heart-wrenching trials one can imagine. We need to share there story whenever and however we can. It is encouraging that brothers and sisters from both communities are reaching across the barriers like this. We must do all we can to inform God's people here in the West and work for dialogue in the Spirit of Christ for the sake of the Gospel.
Kerry Buttram
Jan 11, 2008 at 07:26 AM
Bob,
Thanks for such a good word. US Middle East relations would be so much different and our ability to assist with political struggles there would be so much more effective if "foreigh policy, through speculative theology" did not get in the way.
Keep it up...you have a unique ability to make a difference.
Jan 11, 2008 at 07:51 AM
...glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality.
Bob writes, "We must support Israel. They are a nation of people that will be represented in eternity for whom Christ died. But we must also support the Palestinians, a nation of people that will be represented in eternity for whom Christ died. Anything less is a rejection of what God has called all believers to do."
Pretty simple...let's roll
Thanks for an inspiring report of your trip. - Darren
Jan 11, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Bob,
Any thoughts on our relationship to Palestinian Christians who would not identify themselves as Evangelical (capital E here)? Did you get any exposure to any of them? Should we?
Todd
Jan 11, 2008 at 09:50 AM
" I was reminded of two other Christians who had disagreements ... Peter and Paul"
Paul and Peter did not have a disagreement, Peter's theology had run off the tracks and Peter stood condemned.
How many Christians today would do what Paul did, very few I think. Postmodern evangelical harmony gets in the way of orthodox theology. Paul was not willing for Peter to err in his theology because Paul knew Peter would make others make the same error. That little error in theology would lead to condemnation.
Gal 2
11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.
13The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread.
Jan 11, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Yes Todd - I spent time with some of them - not much - but they are playing ball. My goal is for people to see that there are conservative evangelicals that are there. The evangelical church here has not been aware of the other side - I'm trying to see that happen.
Jan 11, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Man Bob, for an old guy you sure do think outside the box! =) haha! You know i love you. Keep it up. You are an inspiration to many, and you constantly challenge me to LIVE the Bible. Miss ya, and love ya.
Jan 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Hey you little Punkster Aaron - don't call me old - just because I'm nearing the half-century Mark - that means that I was rockin when you weren't even a rollin - and when you're my age - I'll be doing marathon's while praying for your back surgery, gall bladder, cataracks - you just wait and and see . . . . . . . oh yeah, and hopefully bringing the kingdom of God closer to the hell holes of the world . . . .
Jan 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Hi Bob,
On behalf of all Palestinian Pastors I want to thank you for making the Chuarch in the West aware of our presence, ministries and challenges. Thank you for taking time to come and visit us and bringing your lovely wife with you. Your visit was like a fresh breaze of encouragement.
We look forward to see you in Febreuery.
Alex
Dean of Students - Bethlehem Bible college
Pastor, East Jerusalem Baptist Church
0545-975-284
Jan 11, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Must-reads on our Palestinian brothers and sisters in Christ:
Love in the Land of Enmity, which ran in Christianity Today in July 2005. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/july/9.44.html
Light Force by Brother Andrew and Al Janssen.
Go drop everything you're doing and read both -- now! [start with the CT article -- it's shorter].
Jan 12, 2008 at 03:29 AM
Alex - Nikki and I enjoyed so much being with you. As we left Bethlehem and drove the airport a few days ago - Nikki asked me what the greatest thing I experienced was - I told her the sights, but sitting on the place where they say the Sermon on the Mount may have been given and reading it there quietly. She said, for me - equal to that was experiencing the people and what they are going through - meeting and hearing Alex and Bishara and Salim. You're an incredibly gifted man Alex - rock on - Bob
Jan 12, 2008 at 06:26 AM
Dear Bob
We are used to high profile American Evangelical leaders taking anti Palestinian stands in the name of the Bible and causing a huge stumbling stone for the whole Islamic world.
Fairness is a basic value that should be seen in lives of true believers.Unfortunetly these leaders lack it when we talk about Arabs and Jews.
I thank God for your fair Christian approach.I pray that others will follow.
Blessings
Botrus
Jan 12, 2008 at 07:26 AM
Thank you Botrus - tell us how we can help you - the evangelical church - here in the West. Bob
Jan 13, 2008 at 07:04 AM
Bob,
Thanks for your willingness to stand with our Palestinian brothers and sisters. We had the incredible privilege of taking 30 national youth leaders from around the globe into Bethlehem this last March, and be with Dr. Bishara and then have lunch with a number of the Bethlehem pastors and spend the afternoon with them. Our guys are still discussing the impact and continue to pray for them and stand with them. We also had the opportunity to tour a UN refugee camp and hear some of the stories there. We experienced first hand the reality of the regional tension, conflict, and varying views. But more than anything we saw clearly what broke the heart of our Savior and what he came to redeem and restore.
In a couple of months, we are again having the privilege of taking over 250 young leaders into the region. These leaders will be coming from over 50 countries around the globe. We are looking forward to being with Yohanna again and hearing what is on their heart. Bethlehem and the Palestinians remain in our prayers. I admire their passion, heart, and courage in proclaiming and living for Jesus in a very difficult situation. We stand with these brothers and sisters.
I had the privilege of interviewing Yohanna at our church in Chicago and people are still talking about what he shared in his journey of learning to love the Israeli soldiers.
Even though I don't believe we have met Bob, thanks for your standing with them and encouraging others to do the same.
Dr. Dann Spader
Global Youth Initiative
Jan 13, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Dan, I visited your web-site email me - we have a lot in common I think - do you do societal kingdom engagement? bob
Jan 13, 2008 at 03:54 PM
So glad to hear that American evangelicals are finding their brothers and sisters in Israel/Palestine. As a British evangelical and wife of a Pastor here in UK I made that discovery in 1991 when I read a life changing book telling the story of one Palestinian Christian brother's experience. He is now a beloved friend and was the motivation for our setting up the UK charity Elijah Trust which works with the 20% minority Palestinian citizens of Israel, both Christian and Muslim. I would recommend the book I read to you - "Blood Brothers" by Elias Chacour, now Archbishop of the Melkite Church in Israel. The book is published in US by Chosen Books. There are many devoted Christian brothers and sisters in the indigenous liturgical churches of the Holy Land and they have so much to teach we western evangelicals who sometimes too easily make wrong and prejudiced judgements about those who aren't in our tradition. Fr. Chacour has worked all his life for peace with justice and reconciliation. He has many friends in the Protestant church of US where he visits to preach and lecture. His faith has sustained him through a long and difficult life as a refugee in his own land and a parish priest in Galilee. Do read his book and look at our website! Gill Dye
Jan 13, 2008 at 04:34 PM
I've read the book about 4 mos. ago - I loved it. I'm reading several right now. One that deals with the theology and history that I've learned a lot from is Gary Burge's "Whose Land, Whose Promise." I visited your web-site - very impressive - bob
Jan 13, 2008 at 05:59 PM
Response to Bob Come&See Sun13Jan2008
I am so thankful to the Lord for all that Bob Roberts has expressed in his article which demonstrates some encouraging signals that some Christian leaders have finally awakened to a down-to-earth screaming situation and are just beginning to respond more responsibly and integrally! As an Arab-Palestinian-Israeli(!!!) who has always endeavored to emerge out of the heartrending crucible, I must admit that this or any similar attempt to describe what we feel and experience out there will always come short! It is my earnest hope and sincere prayer, nevertheless, that what brother Bob has shared, and what all the dear brothers have commented may contribute in the direction of gaining more awareness that more Christian leaders take a positive stand without partiality or favoritism!
As the former pastor of Golden Valley Church in Abu Snan, Galilee, Israel, I have always tried and succeeded to certain limit in having and enjoying good Christian friendship and practical fellowship with quite a number of our fellow-brethren and churches in the Jewish sector. I have even had big dreams in that direction, surely out of full personal conviction. One of the hard aspects that I, like many others have had to cope with, was that such a course would always put us in an embarrassing situation between the hammer and anvil! I must confess, however, that what ached me most has always been the haunting attitude of our fellow brethren in the west!!! I fully consent with what Bob has correctly observed, stating,
“There are some Muslims that have made life difficult for them and there are some Israeli’s that have made life difficult for them. But, the greatest rejection, and most painful of all, has been that of their Christian brothers from the church in the West. It’s not just rejection though, it’s oblivion. ” Very true, indeed!
I am comforted in the Lord when reading such comments as Eric, Tim, Mark Weston, Josh, Darren, Dan Spader and Gill dye have registered!
If Bob and the all dear readers should allow me to seize this opportunity and share one more dimension to what characterizes the not-so-purely-Christian attitude of our American brethren, I would just sadly remark that this has exactly been what I have discovered in Brazil, where I have been staying now since I moved with my family, along with one more brother of mine, both of us full time servants of the Lord and authors of books in the field of Christian ministry. To cut it short, we have been sincerely praying and honestly waiting for any from the dear people of God to demonstrate any tokens of support and encouragement! Wishing you, brother Bob, and all our dear fellow-laborers of the Lord God’s richest blessings in Jesus’ precious Name!
- Rev. Fatien Jacob, PhD
Jan 14, 2008 at 06:47 AM
Dear Bob
We did not have the opportunity to meet when you were in Israel/PT. Those who met with you encouraged me to meet you all through this blog. Thanks for being an encouragement to the body of Christ here. Below are some comments and thoughts:
Though God has not entrusted the ministry of Christian recognition to the Church in the North and West; it still is a breath of fresh air when we recognise each other as children of the same Father. All what I experienced from American evangelical Christians was reception, love, and affirmation. They did not have to change their theology in order to be able to love, nor would I demand this as a condition. If doctrine blocks the grace of Christ, regardless how defendable this doctrine could be, it becomes a curse. I say this to ourselves before anybody else. It is easier to show grace to the oppressed than to the oppressor. The challenge is to extend the grace of Christ to whoever you/I believe is the oppressor or agressor.
I believe mission reimburses us for lost fellowship/love/reception/recognition within the Camp. Thus even if Palestinian Christians suffer misuderstanding or being forgoten, there is an abundance of fellowship and love for us as we take on our destiny, assigned by the Father, to take the gospel of truth and mercy to our (ethnic) nation, regardless of their religion, and to the nation of our Bible patriarchs regardless of their nationality.
We become fullfilled when we empty ourselves for the sake of those who are yet to be filled with the knowledge of His love.
We love you all
Labib Madanat
The Bible Society
Isreal and the Palestinian Territories
Jan 14, 2008 at 07:02 AM
I am greatly encouraged by all these--well, most of these--comments, but to my observation there seems to be another element missing. There are many Israeli Arab Believers that do not consider themselves Palestinians. They are Israeli because of decisions their families made decades ago, but I sense that they are even further off the radar than their Palestinian cousins.
I suspect that is partially because we all look for labels to make our understandings easier, and 'Palestinian' is much easier to grasp (even though most of us outside of the mid-east really DON'T grasp it) than whatever it is we should be calling those non-Palestinian Arab Israeli Evangelical Christian Believers.
But my FEAR is that this is just another struggle in a land that seems to feed off such struggles. That somehow these Israeli Arabs are not only second class to their Jewish and Muslim neighbors, but also to their Palestinian brothers because of some perception that they (or their families) are somehow less righteous in the Family of God due to a political agenda about geographical borders.
If I am in error, I long to be corrected. But I believe that if the world is indeed to be awakened to the plight of Believing Christians in Israel, we must walk gingerly to not feed another form of division in this land of divisions. I am well aware of the significant, even horrid socio-political circumstances of many of the Palestinian Believers, but let us be careful to not be seduced into a these-Arabs-are-better-than-those-Arabs mentality when we're invoking "neither Jew nor Greek" passages that are calling us all as God's children to love and work together.
Perhaps I should have started this rant with a simple question: When talking about the plight of Palestinian Arab Believers, are you also thinking of the Israeli Arab Believers, or are they to be left behind for the next awakening?
This post is truly an attempt at better understanding. I am very open to correction in the realization that it is not my pride that needs protecting, but rather these wonderful brothers and sisters that live--literally--on BOTH sides of the 'fence' in this land of the Savior that came to set us all free.
Jan 14, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Dear Brother Bob....
I was so encouraged to meet you here in Nazareth , during your visit to Nazareth Village , i was so encouraged by your passion & approach indeed towards the arabic envangelical church here...
i would like to see more eyes & hearts of evangelical leaders in the west to be open more seeing in the eyes of faith of whats going on in the holy land .....
yes we do exist .....as i was sharing with you in the tour - " Living Stones" ...so as Phillip said to Nethaneal in John 1 : " Come & See " ...this is also an invitation to all leaders out in the west ...please come & see ...the palestinian evangelical church is hanging in & we as beleviers we've got a responsibility to witness & share the Gospel with ALL..pray that God use the minority" Beleivers"whom inside of the minority of the minority as embassedors to the prince of peace whom he made the reconcialation on the cross for all ...
God bless you brother for all of your work for his glory...
Salam El Maseeh "peace of christ be with you"
Rani
Jan 14, 2008 at 03:57 PM
John your point is well-taken. All believers in Israel matter to God. I'm trying to take us one step at a time - this has got to be the most complex place on the face of the earth! Several of the comments - people identify themselves as Arab Christians - which makes me very happy. Fatien and Labib - wow - awesome comments. Rani - you were an incredible guide.
Jan 15, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Bob,
Do you know the books of Colin Chapman? "Whose Promised Land?" and very recently "Whose Holy City?" Colin an evangelical Anglican priest has lived and worked in Egypt and Lebanon. Am sure you'd get his bio with a google. He was present at the 2nd "Evangelical Christian and Muslim Dialogue " held in Tripoli earlier this month. I warmly recommend his writing.
Gill
Jan 16, 2008 at 06:08 AM
Shalom Bob,
When you are back in Israel in February, perhaps you can make it down to Beer Sheva. We who are Jewish Israeli believers have been greatly enriched in our relationships and fellowship with our Arab Israeli/Palestinian brothers in Messiah over many years now. I rejoice to know that the Lord is opening the eyes and hearts of the western (and any other directional) churches to the WHOLE Body of Christ in this chosen holy land of conflict.
It's is on the way of the prayer of the Lord Jesus being answered that we be one even as He and the Father are one SO THAT THE WORLD WILL KNOW THAT HE WAS SENT FROM THE FATHER AND THAT GOD LOVES US JUST AS HE LOVES JESUS. This will demonstrate to both and to all our people that the love of the Kingdom of God is in us.
God bless you as you serve Him,
Howard Bass
Jan 16, 2008 at 06:23 AM
Howard I LOVE your words - I'd love to come see you - bob
Jan 16, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Dear Bob
To your question-you can help by coming aside us and getting involved.The Lord will lead you step by step in what areas you can help if the heart attitude is that of partnership and brotherhood.
The common purpose is that of furthering the kingdom of Christ.This will happen through helping in realizing the will of God for the local evangelical community.That could include helping in training,networking,advocacy,raising awarness to the plight of the Evangelical Palestinians,visits.education,prayer for us ...etc.
Mike Parker's recent article in Christianity today is very helpful:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/103-32.0.html
I would like to meet you again in February to explore next steps.
In Him
Botrus
Jan 16, 2008 at 01:18 PM
Bethlehem Bible College "blew you away?" As someone who has spent many a day there, and who counts a number of Palestinian Christians as personal friends, I fail to see what is so wonderful about that particular school. The vast bulk of Palestinian Protestants are zealous promoters of Replacement Theology (which is the great theme of BBC), and in the Middle East that normally translates into anti-Israel political views. Now, I do not say it is wrong to rightfully criticize the immoral things the Israeli government does; any Christian should decry evil wherever they see it. But I have seen several Palestinian Christians march in political protest, side by side in unity, with Muslim Palestinians, many of whom were known terrorists. In the Palestinian Church at large, sadly, Palestinian Nationalism is as much a part of belief as any Biblical doctrine.
Furthermore, politics aside, many, many Arab Christians, those from Christian families and converts from Islam alike, hide a subtle but deep anti-seminism behind their anti-Israel political stance. Dr. E. Caner, himself a Muslim Background Believer, wrote a cover story a few years back for "Israel my Glory" magazine entitled "MBB's Dirty Little Secret" that discusses this very issue.
I view this as being profoundly sad on at least two levels:
1) Palestinian Statehood, were it actually achieved, would probably be the deathknell for local Christianity. The resurgance of impassioned Islam in the Palestinian community leaves little room for their Christian neighbors to live in anything except as an oppressed "dhimmini" status. They would certainly not live as free and equal citizens.
2) On a biblical level they may, in fact, be opposing the active work of God. Now, I am not saying that they should pack up and "move to Jordan." Nor am I saying that Israel today is entirely what God wills it to be. I do, however, believe in a literal fulfillment of prophecy, and I believe that the answer to the question "has God cast the Jews (Israel) aside?" Is "may it never be" even as the Apostle Paul declared in Romans.
Accordingly, Palestinian Christians need to drop the theological excuse for anti-semitism and focus more on winning their Muslims neighbors to Christ and less on joining those neighbors in anti-Israel marches and pouring their energies into trying to create state.
That will free the Palestinian Church to be God really wants it to be.
Jan 16, 2008 at 04:30 PM
I visited with several of the professors - the ones I talked to weren't into replacement theology. Some did believe, as do I, that what God did in a physical place with a specific group of people he would now do with every nation and with every single person. This is why we believe Christ had Peter put the sword down - his kingdom wasn't built by that - though people are trying to do just that today. Christ would do in our hearts and build a kingdom not of this world but beyond it - the eternal Kingdom that David longed for - a city beyond this world. Israel was a light to nations as to what a nation looked like that followed God and was in obedience. When she sinned, he judged her and scattered her. I would say they are concerned about their Palestinian issues much like Messianic Jews are concerned about issues with Israel - that's normal. Anti-seminism is a very real thing - I've known about it for years - I've only just discovered Anti-Palestinianism. There are more Palestinian Christians than any other group of Christians in the Holy Land - isn't it incredible that we would ignore their rights, some in the church - cut the legs out of the very people God has placed there - the very ones who have the best chance of seeing the Gospel spread there? I believe God is big enough to transform any tribe, nation, or people. I'm Celtic - we weren't that kind! (Though we loved poetry and music and climbing mountains!) Opposing the work of God? Speaking out on issues of human rights and dignity? Since when did that oppose the will of God? One thing is obvious from how you write - you don't live there, you haven't had your home bull-dozed. I too believe in a literal fulfillment of "Biblical Prophecy" - that Christ is coming - not supra-Biblical with charts, time-tables, and questionable hermenuetics. I'm not that worried about the Muslims slowing down the Christians - right now, the Christians here are doing a good job of that.
Jan 18, 2008 at 07:38 AM
Bob,
Thanks so much for this blog and for your efforts. I have been to Palestine many times and continue to work toward serving the Palestinian people. I espcially enjoy working with the Bethlehem Bible College. It is a quality outfit with appropriate and balanced views on the situation.
THere is much to be done in Palestine. I am excited about the open doors that you had while there on "vacation." I hope that as the future progresses God will show us all how better to serve the Palestinians. Or should I say how to be a part of getting them back on their feet.
Thank you also for you book, "Glocalization." I felt you were writing from my heart.
Finally, I would like to repsond to "M". I too have many Palestinian friends who live in Palestine. They are very intelligent and love God very much. I find it odd that you reject their beliefs in Palestinian nationalism. Have you not noticed the same nationlistic fervor in every country. Nationalism is a natural belief for all people. It is part of belonging to a "Tribe". I am not sure where your from but in the US this nationalism is very strong. In many quarters of the church, this US nationalism is equated with faithfulness to God. How can we deny them the same emotions that we have? How is our nationalism right and theirs wrong? There seems to be a double standard here.
Jan 18, 2008 at 07:19 PM
I continue to be amazed at all the response this is generating - could it be God is up to something here?
Jan 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Bob,
You and I met 20 years ago when in I was in SWBTS and you were fresh in Keller. God used that conversation to spark in me the way I pastor our church today.
You met a good pastor friend of mine when you were in Israel, and he asked me if I knew you. When I found out you have become aware and excited about the positive impact the Palestinian church is and can have in the Holy Land I was thrilled.
Our congregation (FBC Palestine, TX) has been partnering with Palestinian Christians in the Holy Land for over three years. We are already linking significant ministries to the need in the West Bank. I'd really like to visit with you some more about where this is all heading. You'd be amazed to know how God has been weaving this together for some time. Perhaps our threads will cross again.
More info is available on our church website or just Google "Ramallah Church".
God really is up to something....BIG.
Jan 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
This is exciting - call the office - bob
Jan 30, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Great to hear of your developing contacts with Palestinian Christians. They certainly need our support as do their brothers and sisters, the Israeli Arab Christians. For the past ten years Baptist Twinning in Israel, sponsored by the Central Baptist Association of the Baptist Union here in the UK, has been encouraging partnerships with churches belonging to the Association of Baptist Churches in Israel. Through our group visits to Israel and local churches there and through the sponsoring of their pastors visiting the UK we have learnt much about this significant minority group of evangelical Christians. It has been an immense privilege to encourage them in their witness and work for Christ. We have been especially heartened to see their growing relationship with Messianic congregations - a marvellous witness to the reconciling power of Christ in such a divided land.
Although the ABC cannot have formal links with believers in the West Bank and Gaza there are many informal contacts and a real concern for their Palestinian brothers and sisters working in such a difficult situation.
Whilst our focus is on the Baptist churches in Israel we have programmed into our next twinning trip this May a visit with Baptist Christians in Bethlehem. We look foward to learning much about the particular pressures they face in the West Bank and to seeing more of the bigger picture of what is happening in the body of Christ in Israel/Palestine.
It is good to join in this correspondence. It is vital that all of us who are working to support Christians in Israel/Palestine become aware of each other and also see more of the bigger picture of God's work.
For more information about our work see http://www.centralba.org.uk (Israel Twinning)
Feb 9, 2008 at 07:30 AM
I too have been through the occupied Palestine five times and everyone says the way to help is tell the stories.
I have friends in Bethlehem and Ramallah. I have stood up for human rights and justice next to secular Israelis, internationals and Palestinian Muslims at the wall in Bil'in with nothing but our bodies against the Israeli forces rubber bullets, sound and gas bombs, at the electrified fence that denies the indigenous people access to their land, resources, families, jobs and holy sites, in the name of 'security' but in reality is a land grab.
Since 1948, the indigenous Christian population of the land we call Holy has gone from 20% of the total population to less than 1.3%.
Scholars and researches claim that unless things change asap, there will be no Christian witness in the land where Jesus: The PRINCE of PEACE promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God by 2020-recently adjusted down from 2025.
"It is...irresponsible to suggest that God will bless us materially if we support the largely secular State of Israel, especially when this invariably means ignoring the plight of the indigenous Christian population of Palestine."-page 46, "Zion's Christian Soldiers" Dr. Rev. Stephen Sizer
"You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free."-John 8:32
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu"
Feb 9, 2008 at 08:37 AM
TO ALL OF YOU - THIS IS BOB ROBERTS - I'm amazed at the string of comments on this - I"ll be heading back to the Middle East shortly - Dr. Bishara Awad will be with me here in DFW in a couple of hours. I'm going to interview him - and you can comment accordingly - Bob Roberts
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